Honestly, who cares right?

Sierra brown returns and we cover a wide range of issues. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:30

I think it'll be confusing because, like, I don't know, has a lot of things changed?

SPEAKER_04 0:38

I don't really think so.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

Not really?

SPEAKER_04 0:40

No. I mean, yes and no. Like, not lawhouse. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, policies, I guess, have changed a little, but not anything crazy.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Hmm. Yeah. Oh no, because I um I know you give me shit about it all the time. About you're not an EMT anymore. Like when I'm sitting there. I'm like, yeah, that's funny. I'm just a tech when I'm holding two bags of urine in my hand. So you're a tech. But it's just it just makes me nervous because like I don't I mean, I've been in the field so long and then I kind of I stepped out of the field. I don't know how I'd be able to manage being in the field again, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:20

You'd be fine. That's how you'd manage.

SPEAKER_02 1:23

I guess so.

SPEAKER_04 1:24

There's no guessing. You'd be fine. You did it for how long?

SPEAKER_02 1:27

Too fucking long. Honestly, too long. Um I don't know. I'm I kind of want to get my like dip my feet back in there, but like I don't really know how. Like locally, I don't think I'll ever will.

SPEAKER_04 1:39

I was gonna say, where are you gonna go?

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Yeah, probably nowhere. I mean, I saw Hayden shared a picture for uh or shared a post for Sunsites looking for part-time EMTs, and I I kind of contemplated it. I mean, it's the field.

SPEAKER_04 1:57

Very slow though.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Well, I figured.

SPEAKER_04 2:00

And you have busy work all day.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Well, yeah, you have to. It's a fire department. You have to justify your existence. Yeah, it's not uh it's not like AMR where you crash and sleep when you can't have trainings to do, clean the truck, and and like I said, I I think I would enjoy that sometimes. That's why it'd be a part-time thing, do a couple like one or two shifts a month to just be happy.

SPEAKER_04 2:22

I don't hate sunsets. I just can't justify driving all the way down there, losing money because at this point this place pays me$25 an hour versus uh both. Oh, both two. This one and the other one both pay me at least$25, and subsidized pays me$18.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

That's crazy. Well, yeah. I guess you could look at it as just gas money for justification. It's justifying the like not justifying, but it's like it's gas money to and from at the end of the day, if you think about it.

SPEAKER_04 2:57

Yeah, but I'm losing overtime.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

Right. So And that's all you're getting is like I mean, that's what I mean if you're just getting$600.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

That's not enough for gas money.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Well, not goddamn gas cuzzler, probably.

SPEAKER_04 3:10

Hey, that thing is not that bad.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

I mean, I like my hornet.

SPEAKER_04 3:15

I think I get like 32 an hour, 32 a gallon. An hour. 32 an hour.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

32 an hour, yeah, whatever. Okay. Uh-huh. Sitting around to injack shit. Earn money sleeping, you know?

SPEAKER_04 3:32

We're taking midnight out of town, so it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Oh yeah. I don't that I don't miss. I don't miss that shit at all. I did it one the other day and I was I yeah, I don't I don't even I don't even want to know. It's just gonna get my fucking blood pressure all worked up just thinking about it.

SPEAKER_04 3:47

Nah, dude. It was bad.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Was it?

SPEAKER_04 3:49

Yeah, because dispatch was supposed to dispatch it two hours prior, and they waited and held it for two hours, and so instead of going at midnight, we went at two o'clock in the morning. All the way to Phoenix.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

I would have stabbed somebody, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. I was so angry. Somebody would have gotten stabbed, legitimately. And I was like, okay, that whole crew resting out the window, right? Yeah. I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

That's why I'm like, I don't know if I could ever go back.

SPEAKER_04 4:15

But now the hospital is no longer sending any of our psychs to Tucson. They're all sending them to Phoenix. To the I'm gonna start having them see if they can send Central down here. So then you'll stop sending them to Phoenix and start sending them back to Tucson.

SPEAKER_02 4:30

That'd be nice, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_04 4:31

Uh even if it's just a threat, maybe they would at least look into it because now you're gonna be waiting six hours instead of three. Yeah. Because Tucson takes usually two to three hours.

SPEAKER_02 4:41

Yeah. Well, for those who don't really know, which you should know, I have Sierra with me once again. The good oh, the old shit magnet is back. Once again, being a shit magnet. Okay, thanks for that. But I I kind of wanted to dive into something. I mean, not get too far into it, but not like like uh spread rumor or anything like that, but I was kind of thinking. So my brother, he's he's trying to run for city council. I don't know if I talked to you about this.

SPEAKER_04 5:16

You've not.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

So my brother, yeah, I know, right? He's um running for Safford City Council, and one of the things he was asking me about was like ambulance service, and he was like, How much does it cost? And also, I don't know, man. Like I couldn't tell you. I mean, I I gave him a ballpark idea, but I was like, it's not gonna be super great. But we did uh an interview on Voice of the Valley, you know what that is? Nope. It's like a local it's like a local thing on KATO, and it's um he basically he talks about different stuff going on around the valley, like different businesses come on and stuff. So, Jake, we're good friends with the guy, and so we went on there twice. Uh the first time, the guy, David, he was like, Well, this is just me talking, but I would love to see like a municipal fire here in the area. Like, I know you work for the company and all that other stuff. Do you think that would be a good idea?

SPEAKER_04 6:24

Yes and no. I don't think the city will ever do it.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

I don't think so either.

SPEAKER_04 6:30

Um for a lot of reasons they'd have to certify all their firefighters, they'd have to pay their firefighters, they'd have to certify EMTs into those firefighters, like it's just cost. It's a whole lot of certifications.

SPEAKER_02 6:46

Oh yeah, and it and like it like I said, like for volunteers, you can have like 20, 30 volunteers or whatever. For the paid fire, you'll only have like a couple of shifts worth.

SPEAKER_04 6:58

Yeah, and on top of that, I think there's a I I could be wrong on this, but I think there's a huge liability with it.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

My bad. I could see it. And I know that that's one thing Jake was wanting to talk about was like ambulance service, like, you know, I I told him I was like, one thing you need to do is you need to pull management from the company in and just be like start grilling them on the numbers. Like, because I mean, obviously I don't work there anymore, but I think the biggest issue was it looked like the city governments weren't really involved with like how things were going and the changes that were being made. It was just the hospital kind of bitching and then us bitching about it, and it's about it. But I think once you like you'll turn the heater on, once you start getting the governments involved, asking questions like why are these response times happening? Why are you hiring people that are not local? Why are you doing this? Why are you doing that? Think that'll matter or no?

SPEAKER_04 8:04

To the company, no, to the company it won't matter. Um I think that they have had some of that flair up kick out, but uh I don't really think that it's affected them. Because realistically, I don't think they they think there's anything that can be done about it. So why change something that you don't feel like is a problem?

SPEAKER_02 8:31

Yeah, that makes sense. I just think in just thinking that way. Like I I'm skeptical. Because I know everybody wants that to happen, the the municipal to kind of come around and stuff like that. And I don't know, man. I really don't know. And it's it's kind of creepy and it's kind of scary to think about, in my opinion. And I told my brother, I was like, the way to do it, like you have to pay for tax like you have to raise taxes because you have to raise a fire tax, and and that's how you'll pay for all the stuff. All that fire that fire tax goes to funding all that other stuff.

SPEAKER_05 9:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

And people are kind of in up in arms about taxes in general. So it doesn't really matter. Don't want to get too political, like uh that I love that. But like I said, that was just kind of a thought I had and kind of wanted to poke that horse for a second, just kind of get your opinion on it. Just because I've been thinking about it the last couple days.

SPEAKER_04 9:34

Yeah, I I don't know that it would succeed in this town, but yeah, it'll be tough, man.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

And I've always said that Greenlee exists because of the mine, and that's not me talking bad about it, like that's generally true. If the mine were to pick up tomorrow and say we're done, Greenlee would cease to exist.

SPEAKER_04 9:54

Oh, most of Safford would too. Yeah, we exist because of the mine as well.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

So it it sucks. And I know a lot of those people will come this way to try to look for a job for whatever else, but the mine's funding a lot of that, which it is what it is. I don't really care. Um yeah, but I've also been kind of thinking about other stuff and the news I told you about what I got told by the VA and all that other stuff. One thing that I was kind of poking around on and like kind of listening to and stuff like that was how and we kind of you kind of touched on it a little earlier. How do you manage your stress in this job? And I mean I used to drink. I might have said that a couple times, but I used to drink like a fucking fish. Uh you know, I paid for it because I'm old and I don't do that anymore. And I've found ways to kind of manage my stress now. But like, how like how would you manage stress and how how do you know how do you see other people managing?

SPEAKER_04 11:03

Like I said earlier, I've stopped managing my stress. I'm just a big stressful.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

You just don't do anything or what?

SPEAKER_04 11:11

Not anymore. Why not? I veg on the couch now.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

What's wrong with that?

SPEAKER_04 11:15

I'm so exhausted at the end of the day that I just well, sis, you got like four fucking jobs. I well, yeah, but I've kind of dropped some of them, so still a lot. I mean, I didn't fully drop them. They're still there. I just don't really do them as much as I probably should or could.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

True.

SPEAKER_04 11:37

But I I went from working like seven days a week to three.

SPEAKER_03 11:45

God damn.

SPEAKER_04 11:46

Yeah. So I mean, like that that has helped immensely, but like on my three days off, all I do is leave veg.

SPEAKER_03 11:52

That's crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:53

I used to like sing and write and work out, and I don't do any of it.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

You just too exhausted or what?

SPEAKER_04 12:00

Yeah, tired all the time. Like that job takes it out of you.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

Well, yeah. And it's crazy because I was talking, so I had a couple of students with me. Um I was kind of just talking to them about the job and stuff like that, and I was just like, just kind of be prepared for what you're kind of getting into. And I know, I know they're gonna be like, you're gonna see shit on the side of the road, you're gonna see brains on the side of the road, you're gonna see dead people, and then they don't tell you how to manage the stress, like who to talk to. And for me, for the longest time, there was like a big old stigma of like getting like help and stuff for PTSD, and like even in the military, it was like for the longest time, like only bitches do that. Like, come on, dude. Like, we're we're fucking killers, man. That's what we do. And it's like, no, it ain't like the fuck we're weekend warriors, dog. I go back to my job tomorrow. What are you talking about? You know what I mean? It's like, how am I supposed to manage that? Same thing with this job, like, yeah, but yeah, I'm doing this and I'm doing that, but I shouldn't I shouldn't be living in that mode of like high stress all the time.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

You know what's funny, this has been on my TikTok a lot lately.

SPEAKER_02 13:19

If I ever had a TikTok, I'll I'll do that. I'll I'll make reels of that.

SPEAKER_04 13:24

I just we're not meant to live in it, and yet we do. And like, I don't know. I I've can like I get so irritable at this point. Like, I'm so stressed out and tired at the end of the day. I'm so irritable.

SPEAKER_05 13:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:38

I get so mad over stupid little shit. And so like I've can genuinely considered going to like talk to somebody, but like, like you said, the stigma is still there.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

It's still kind of there, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:48

And so it's like I just don't want to. I don't I don't know where to even look to begin.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

Yeah, and and I found the biggest downfall for EMS, at least in my opinion. I could be wrong. I'm always fucking wrong, but then again, it's my opinion. I don't give a shit. But I found the biggest issue is lack of a better phrase, I think EMS has a problem with like swinging dick syndrome in the sense that I'm this, I've done this, I've done that, I've done that, you you haven't. So I'm automatically better than you. And like I said, take that with a grain of salt, but I've had people like that where oh, I've done this, this, and that, and you're just an EMT, you don't fucking matter. Yeah, and that's pretty damaging to the psyche, at least to mine. It was like, then what the fuck am I here for? You know what I'm saying? I've had people like that.

SPEAKER_04 14:42

You're just a tech.

SPEAKER_02 14:44

That I know you're shit posting, I don't even care. The first couple times I was like just hyperventilating it in my chair, like while I'm drinking my freaking chocolate milk. I'm like, this bitch, man, fucking fuck me up.

SPEAKER_04 14:56

Can I get reporting up, man? You're just a tech.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

I'm like, or half the time, I don't even ask for fucking report. The guy starts giving to me. You're like, hold on, he's just a tech.

SPEAKER_04 15:06

Wait, I wasn't doing that.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

I wanted to know what happened, yeah. But but like, that's what I mean. It's in like my first partner, I'll tell you. This dude, like, he was cool, and I knew him from the ER when I worked security. And he was attacking the ER as a paramedic, and I was like, Oh, that's really cool, they can do that. And I guess he was doing that part-time or whatever. And so he goes back to the ambulance, I get my cert and all this other stuff, and I was like, I know this guy, like, we're gonna fucking gel pretty good. No. First, every shift started off with bullying me about truck check. Then it went into dude, why are you doing this and wasting your time? No one gives a shit. Like, go join the prison, dude. Go be a DOC. That place is awesome. My wife works there.

SPEAKER_04 16:01

I think I know who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

Uh yeah, you know exactly who I'm talking about, and it's just like that's all I got for like eight months. And he was constantly talking down to me on calls if I did something wrong or if I took too long to go grab something. Everything I did was wrong, I drove wrong, I talked to a patient wrong, I did this wrong, but it was like there was no way of like correcting like what I was doing, it was just you're wrong. Yeah, and I I straight up contemplated quitting. I was like, fuck this, this is a dumb idea, I don't want to do this anymore, and just move on to something else, whatever. Then he left, and it was great. And I got a partner who actually gave a shit about me, yeah. And I always called my second partner, I always called him chaotic good because you could tell that dude was past the line of burnout, but he still had a conscience to where it's like I know I shouldn't be working this fucking code, but I'm gonna work him anyway because I have to, and that's just how he was, and he was he's a great guy, and he taught me a lot about talking to patients how to manage stuff, and I should have picked his brain more, but I'm a sheltered child, I'm scared all the time. So, like it was it was nerve-wracking to me, and plus I didn't really know him super well either, so I feel kind of weird. Like, hey, can I punk your brain? And for those who can't see, I'm doing the little what would you call it? Stupid finger. The little thing the the finger he like makes finger guns and like the little I tapped the finger guns together, yeah. I'm like, please can you help me, Mr. He looks like a child I only started doing that because of Brie, and then she just got me to I just I start doing this a lot too.

SPEAKER_04 17:44

Did you start that?

SPEAKER_02 17:44

Well, she didn't start it, I just did it to be stupid.

SPEAKER_04 17:47

Oh, like just talk stupid is right. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Talking with Brie. I'm like, um, excuse me, so can you tuck off my twalk? Like that?

SPEAKER_04 17:54

Everyone does it.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Now everybody does that.

SPEAKER_04 17:55

And I really send it in text messages.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

I feel like I left a legacy back there by doing that. But like literally now I was talking to a nurse, I'm like, yeah, the patient told me, and I was like, fuck, I gotta put that down. I and I raised my hand up, like, actually, like I've been doing that a lot lately. It's actually pissed me off because I've caught myself doing it. I'm like, God damn it. But digressing back to our where we were, um I think we need to be, I think it's gotten better, and I think a lot of toxicity has moved on, a lot of toxicity has gone away over the years, and I think it's gotten to the point to where it's manageable now, you know.

SPEAKER_04 18:35

For the most part, for the most part, just all those people.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

Yeah, there's and there's always gonna be those. Yeah, like when I was manager and people were coming from Tucson and they're like, Yeah, this person's really cool, whatever else. I straight up had one person tell me who won the bid to come down here. They should have told me, I just want the blood and guts. Like, that's it. I want the I want the brains, I want the car accidents. I'm like, dog, like those are cool until you keep remembering that shit for the rest of your life, and you you it won't stop.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

Yeah, there are things that are literally ingrained in my brain, and I can't get them out.

SPEAKER_02 19:07

And you and and like, woo-hoo, like, yay, so what? Like, that's so cool for you, man. Like, no, it fucking sucks. Like, geez, man. And so, like, and I understand students wanting the cool stuff, and but I'm like, dude, like, you don't. I try, trust me, you don't. Because you know what that means? That means someone has to die.

SPEAKER_04 19:30

Honestly, I think if I had gotten half of the sh the shit that I've gotten, I like as a student, I don't know that I would have pursued it.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

Yeah, probably just kept your EMT because something or whatever in this case.

SPEAKER_04 19:42

There were a few things that over the years have actually genuinely like scarred me.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Yeah. And we we all have them.

SPEAKER_04 19:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

We all have those. And and I was talking with Riley, because and Riley had the he was a manager at the time, but it was like that call I was talking with him about, like, that was one of the few times I legit I think it was the only time I can think of that I legitimately had a panic attack after a call.

SPEAKER_05 20:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

It was so stressful. Like I was a BLS truck, and I had an EMT who was new. I was out of the field for a couple months working at the mine, but still there, obviously. And suddenly I have this patient whose half of her head was ripped off with a quarter, quarter-sized uh fracture on the side of her head, just pouring blood.

SPEAKER_05 20:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

And what the fuck am I gonna do? I don't know. You know what I mean? The cops are looking at me like, what do you want to do? I'm like, dog, I should have been, I shouldn't have been fucking, I should be at the mine right now. I took a PTOS. Like, I shouldn't be doing I shouldn't be here. But there I was because nobody else would work, and I was the only truck. So not only am I managing police, I'm trying to manage the patient, I'm trying to manage additional resources that I'm like begging for because I'm panicking. Yeah, I'm trying to manage a helicopter from landing, and then at the end of the day, we ended up grounding her to the hospital, and I did CPR from Montierth Lane all the way to the hospital myself. Yeah, and it was just it was a lot, yeah, and just thinking about it just sends me into a loop. Like it's better to talk about now, but it was just like one thing. Did you ever meet Branick?

SPEAKER_04 21:31

No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

So he was an EMT, he was like in the paramedic course a little while ago, and then he was like literally done, and he just dropped he just dropped it. Which I don't blame him, he's doing much better now. But one of the things he said he remembered was when we would like look over at her to kind of gauge what was going on, she had like fake eyelashes on. And the fake eyelashes were like peeling off. And for me It was when um one of the guys we call for the mine, he came down and he was in the back of the truck, and I remember he's sitting in the airway seat and he looks over at her and he's like, What do her pupils look like? And he went like this with her eyes, and I just remember seeing her eyes for close to two years. I saw her eyes in the dark every time I'd open my eyes in the middle of the night, and that fucked me. And I didn't know how to convey that. Yeah, I didn't know how who to talk to about that. I didn't know how to talk about it, and so I just drank. Yeah, and I drank to try to forget that. And and Riley said it best in the last one, it's been that long, but he said at best that he's like, the good Lord blessed me with a bad memory. And I've gotten to the point now to where it's like, yeah, I don't really remember those anymore. And I remember aspects, not I couldn't walk you, I could walk you through a couple, but most that were traumatizing, I remember one specific thing about it, and that's about it. Like East of Town, or over in Pima, like I don't remember the I just remember the scene being chaotic, and I just remember seeing Natalie cricking a patient who was strapped to the board getting wheeled to a helicopter. That's all I remember. I don't remember anything else. And Robert Ketchum was there, and that's it.

SPEAKER_04 23:24

I am gonna say I'm thankful for Robert. Yeah. He uh we had that recent suicide murder in Pima. Yeah, and he stopped any EMS crew from going in because he was like, I didn't want to see it, I don't think you should have to. Like, those are the things that like I'm so thankful for. Like, I've seen enough in my career already, and it's only been three years.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Already, yeah, just already. And that's I think that's the best part was the fact that he was willing to shield you from that. To shield you guys, whoever the crew was, I don't remember who the crew was, but shield them to be like, hey, like you don't want to see that. Yeah, and there's been times even Natalie was like stay out here, I'll I'll I'll just go.

SPEAKER_04 24:08

Well, yeah, and so like going back to like mental health and stuff like that in in this field, you know, it's it's funny we have a new supervisor who doesn't seem to care. Like doesn't I've had to like tell him, hey, when your crew has hard calls, like you need to talk, you need to reach out to them, make sure they're okay. So my most recent hard, probably I think it was one of my more recent hard calls. I like you said, for some reason it's the eyes. I don't know why it's always the eyes. I can always see the eyes staring at me. Yeah, but this this girl was like a I knew her, and I won't tell you what happened just because it is so recent, but like all I can see are her blue eyes. Like I can just see them for weeks after I I just saw her blue eyes, and like the one person that reached out after that call, the one person was Natalie.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

Yeah, the person who doesn't work there anymore.

SPEAKER_04 25:10

The person that doesn't work there anymore, the previous supervis like the one person.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Yeah, and that's crazy. And like I said, I I'm not toting my my horn here, but I heard and I think I stopped you a little bit later after that. I didn't directly because I didn't know who was there.

SPEAKER_05 25:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

But when I did see you and I found out, that's when I reached out to you.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

But it's I mean, there were other people probably within the next couple of days that reached out, but she was the one that, like, immediately that night like, hey, just watch out on you. You good? And like, I don't think people realize how even just that small little act is.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

It's detrimental.

SPEAKER_04 25:48

So appreciated, and so like, it's huge.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

Oh, yeah, an absolute thing. And it's like it's it's crazy because I've had I mean, like, there I go with the swinging dick contest, but but it's one of those things where it's like, yeah, I've had stress calls over the years. Of course, you're gonna have them. And I remember I delivered we delivered a baby, came out, wasn't breathing, we worked the baby. And suddenly we had two patients. Mom was a patient, the baby was a patient, obviously, and we worked all this stuff. Pretty, pretty traumatic for me, and for me and Tiff. It was when I that's kind of how I really got close to Tiff because I knew her and I talked with her and stuff like that, but like not on the level that we're at now. That's kind of when that started to like blossom out. Cause we realized we trauma bonded and we went through that shit. Same thing with me and Brannock. Like, hey man, like after that call, it's like we went through this together. Now we're bonded, bud. Like, that's just welcome to life. And so when I trauma bonded with Tiff on that call, that that was huge because I think I made a friend for life.

SPEAKER_05 26:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

And the saddest part about that whole thing was not one person asked if I was okay. Because that a couple days later, like after it was okay, it wasn't that bad. But then that's when I started to see the kid again. Yeah. That's when I would do the truck check and I'd see the mini OPAs that I had to put in, the pink little OPA. And that sent me into a bit of a lack of a better phrase, into a bit of a TIFF. But it was just like it was it was tough. Yeah. And I got nothing from anybody.

SPEAKER_04 27:30

I think people just think that we're like almost robotic and they don't have to ask because we signed up for this. Yeah. This is what you signed up for. You you should be fully aware. And you know, you should be fully aware that this is what you're signing up for, but we're still all human, and we do still have all those emotions. And anyone that doesn't, like, they're lying.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

They're absolutely lying.

SPEAKER_04 27:51

They're just lying, and it's gonna come back and bite them.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

Oh, for sure. And it's just gonna it's boiling up and it's just gonna overheat, and they're just gonna lose their mind.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

And that's why I I try to be as open about it, especially with students now. I'm like, just like I said before, like you be prepared what's coming, because you might be that one person who works on the weekends, gets little memo that falls on the Sunday, and or you'll probably be the one who does this full time on a fire department, and you're cutting out a car, and you're having to like peel people from the back of the tr back of the seat.

SPEAKER_05 28:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

And you have to like be without, you know, brain rotted, but you have to be locked in basically. And it's tough. It's tough to be locked in all the time for 48 hours at a time. It does, it does wonders for your psyche, like I said, not not good, but not good wonders, you know.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

It's detrimental, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

And now that I work in the ER and it's like I work three days a week, 12-hour shifts, like, and they're self-scheduled. I can pick a day, I can work Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Yeah, and that's it. Or I can work a Monday, Tuesday, have the whole rest of the week off, and work a Saturday. You know what I mean? I can break that up and it makes it so much nicer because I have so much time off.

SPEAKER_05 29:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

And it feels good, and I I've been making my bills just fine. And like I told you, like finally got my VA claim good now. So, like, that's a huge hurdle for me.

SPEAKER_05 29:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

So I don't want to say I don't I shouldn't be working, but it's one of those things where it's like, I can chill, I can finally relax comfortably now. After all these years of working, I can finally relax a little bit, you know.

SPEAKER_04 29:43

I genuinely like going from, like I said, seven days to to three days. Like, I genuinely have to get something that for one we take for granted, and for two, like, it's necessary. You work so hard for that first little while, and then you finally start to relax. And like, I think that's why I've kind of just stopped doing everything that I like, it's because I'm just barely starting to relax.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

You're starting to just be a potato now.

SPEAKER_04 30:08

Yeah, yeah. And I I think I'll pick it back up once I've had a moment to finally just breathe and sleep recuperate. Yeah, but I think I'm just so exhausted and it's just like running into my life that I I just need that that couch potato break.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Yeah, you need you need it absolutely, and it's your time. And I I was telling a friend, I was like, one thing I've learned over these past almost 10 years, my time is valuable. Absolutely valuable. And even Levi said it best when he was there. He's like, My time is valuable, and when he came back to work for the company, he's like, This just sucks. Because he had a new, he had a new like vision on life. He's like, This isn't worth shit anymore. This is just stupid and like getting treated like shit by people. And it's like, what's the point of this? Yeah, and so he's like, it's not worth it for me anymore. And so that's kind of how I feel a little bit. Not necessarily the like treated like shit type thing, but it's more like kind of what's the point now? Like, yeah, I got my cert, that's great, awesome, it's my moneymaker. But if I were to go back in the truck, but what's the point? Like, what's the end goal? I mean, maybe medic school, like they're taking medical applications. Would I do it? Probably not. You know why, I know why. But it's one of those things where it's like, what's the point now? The pay is still ass, there's no real benefit, and people just don't give a shit. And I hate to be so negative, I really do. But but that's it.

SPEAKER_04 31:39

I think you're not wrong, but you're also not completely right. Yeah. I think people do care, it's just not shown very well.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

Yeah, I guess so. And I saw EMS One has really good articles on this stuff, and they were basically saying, Now I'm just paraphrasing, I could be wrong. I haven't seen it in a minute. I've been kind of looking for it. But it's one of those things where there's just like EMS leadership itself as a whole needs to change.

SPEAKER_05 32:06

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 32:08

Running people into the ground, uh taking all these calls, and I guess we're grateful because we don't have a whole lot, we don't have any competition here. Yeah, but in the bigger cities where there is competition, you're just ramming those crews into the ground to keep those runs going so that you can keep the money going. Yeah. And that's rough, and that's it, it it it'll kill people. It can kill somebody. Running people that too far into the ground. Like, I am knock on wood, we've hardly had any accidents here.

SPEAKER_04 32:41

That's the part that I don't think the company cares one bit about us. Yeah. They're just gonna run us until they can't, and we well, they don't have very many accidents, so like they can, they can keep going.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

It's and the sad part is I've always said it, even when I was a supervisor when I first started, it's gonna take someone to fucking crash and die for them to be like, whoa, maybe we shouldn't have been running that hard.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

Well, and it's gonna take the dying part because we had a recent accident where someone was starting to kind of fall asleep. We had a recent accident, and oh yeah, they don't care.

SPEAKER_02 33:16

And thank God they didn't.

SPEAKER_04 33:17

No, thank thankfully.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

But and that and that's the worst part.

unknown 33:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:21

Is they they stopped sending late nights for like a week.

SPEAKER_02 33:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:26

And then it was right back to it.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

Which I've always said if it's a medical and it needs to go, it's important. Because sometimes you lose the bed, and that patient needs that bed at that facility for this specific reason. I get it.

SPEAKER_04 33:43

But at the same time, that patient ain't gonna make it to the bed if you are so tired that you can't get there.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Right. And like I said, there's that double-edged sword.

SPEAKER_04 33:52

It's like, yeah, but well, and it's and there's that old school way of thinking that if you're gonna pull a 24, then you should be able to do a stand-up 24. Yeah, you're not completely wrong. In in some aspects, you should be able to do a 24. Yeah. However, driving for three hours with nothing to look at, and just driving straight for three hours and trying to stay awake is different than running 911s back to back to back.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

Yeah, of course it is. And anybody who tells you different is old school. Doesn't it is old school or doesn't run 911s as often. You know, because I there's been days, like, especially during COVID, like anybody will tell you you get your ass ran to the ground, under the ground, actually, so far down, and then they're like, oh, this transfer needs to go right now. Okay, bye. See you have a have a good trip. And it's just like, dude, I remember I almost plowed into a pile of school kids at Thatcher's, like at the Thatcher crosswalk, because I fell asleep going 45 miles an hour coming by the college because I thought I could stay awake. It was just a globe, wasn't that far. And as I'm going, I get there and I just it just hits. I have the heater, I have the AC blowing on me, I have the window down, I have my earbuds in, I got the music cranking, but it's just not working. And man, those kids, man, I would have gotten a lot of points.

SPEAKER_04 35:17

You're so dumb. No, I took one the other day, and I swear to God, I don't remember half of the drive there, and my partner doesn't remember half the drive back. Like, I don't know how we made it there and back. I genuinely think we almost died a few times.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

No, I bet. It's the best ones where for me, I get the tone, I complain, I kick and scream in my bed, then I rolled out of bed, go take a go take a piss, grab my snacks, I blink, and I'm walking through the door. I'm like, holy shit, what the hell happened? Like, I had so many realization moments where it's like my consciousness literally left my body and came right back. It was the weirdest thing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 36:00

I just start seeing things, and you're like slamming on the brakes, and you're like, what?

SPEAKER_01 36:04

There's nothing in the road.

SPEAKER_04 36:06

Oh, it's not there no more. I swear there was something there.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

Yeah, those are the best, aren't they?

SPEAKER_04 36:11

It's so it's my least favorite is when I start thinking that the light, the headlights from other cars are coming at me, so I start kind of swerving a little.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

Mm-hmm. That's like the best.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

You're so tired that you're just seeing things.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

You're just you see a ghost driving to you, man. It's crazy. I I don't know, man. Like I said, I I'm pretty I'm excited. I'm not dealing with that shit anymore, but it was the best time of my life. I I don't. I don't that's why I mean I don't think I can do it anymore. Because I is I saw Vondo and I'm like, dude, it would be fucking impossible for me to get up and try to take calls late at night in again again. I don't think I can do it. If those bastards would ever hire me back. 12 hours. Nah, I'd probably stab somebody the first second I walked in there. I couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_04 37:03

I don't know. No, until you try.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

Yeah, well. I heard uh heard a couple people have left sure, yeah. Jacob.

SPEAKER_04 37:16

Oh yeah, he went on to do bigger, better things.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

Which I don't blame him, he will.

SPEAKER_04 37:20

He's gonna be amazing at what he does.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

I think so too. All of his brain rot. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 37:28

There's been a couple others that have left, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

So it just feels like you guys are just getting smaller and smaller and well, they've also hired well, there is one, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:38

They hired a new student. Well, not a student. They hired a new op from I think two classes ago.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

Yeah, the gift one.

SPEAKER_04 37:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

Yeah. She I met her, she's pretty cool. I swear I've seen her before from somewhere else, but I can't remember. But I've seen her. She's she's nice. They had her patching a couple times, and she was doing pretty good. And I felt bad for Tiff. She had that, she had the contract medic and she had that knee op and managing a patient. So I'm like, that's rough, man. Like, ugh, I don't miss that. I don't miss that shit. Having to like train practically two people.

SPEAKER_04 38:17

Uh the contract medics aren't. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

All right. Yeah. The guy, I found out the guy like works at like like up north, and like he has a couple jobs and stuff like that. So he's only doing this for the money, which I don't blame him. I don't know about the other one though.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

She's a firefighter.

SPEAKER_02 38:40

Where at? Do you know?

SPEAKER_04 38:41

Wherever she lives.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

Oh, she's not from the state or what? Oh.

SPEAKER_04 38:46

Yeah. So she's uh she's a firefighter, and I think she's also a hospital medic.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 38:53

She works at the field.

unknown 38:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 38:56

Works 911 calls. I think it's just uh an adjustment learning protocols, but I other than that, I don't think she's Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

I'll be honest, our protocols are I don't want to say loose in a bad way, but they're pretty pretty free.

SPEAKER_05 39:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

For the most part. Compared to most places, they're pretty free.

SPEAKER_05 39:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:17

I haven't actually worked with either one of them, so I I don't really have a whole lot to say on them, but Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

I don't know. It is what it is. I I I wonder. Well, because like Ethan was telling me today, he's not he's gonna be leaving here in the next couple months, like a month or two.

SPEAKER_05 39:38

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 39:43

For what?

SPEAKER_04 39:44

Those are not my stories to tell.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

I'm just saying that he told me that today. So possibly, who knows. So, I mean, I told him, fuck them, just do it. It'd be funny. I mean, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_04 39:58

Yeah, if I God, if I had the opportunities that like certain other people do, I definitely would have to do that. Just jump on them.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

I mean, you had an opportun you have an opportunity.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

I don't know which one you're talking about. I have a couple of things.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

I don't know what that means. Oh, that's your option. You have an option.

SPEAKER_04 40:23

It's an option, and it's a very tempting. I have to take deep, deep, deep looks into it.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

It's an option nonetheless. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. It'd be pretty sick. And I think you'll you'll come out pretty good, I think.

SPEAKER_03 40:44

Like I'm almost done, so I think that uh what is it?

SPEAKER_04 40:47

13 weeks is a long time for me. Is it even 13? I don't even know what it is.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

For what? Basic training?

SPEAKER_04 40:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 40:57

It's nine.

SPEAKER_04 40:58

Oh, okay. I think 13 is the uh contract medic spot that I saw.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

Yeah. So yeah, it's nine weeks basic training, and then you go to AIT, and like I said, you skip half of it. And then because you're already NREMT, that's what the first half is, is N R E M T. So go through NREMT or go through it. I mean, they might they might have you go through it, but it'd be C E's at that point. But you're a paramedic, so it wouldn't really matter much. Yeah. But yeah, they'd fucking probably take you. Who knows? I don't know. Like I said, you gotta talk to somebody.

SPEAKER_04 41:32

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

For those who don't know, I'm trying to get her to join the the military. Mostly the reserves, because obviously I wouldn't want to fucking be like, oh hey, I'm getting stationed somewhere. Let's where's my duty station? And fucking Fort Riley, Kansas. Yeah, hell no. I'd be or fucking Fort Leavenworth. You're like, the fuck are we doing out here? In the fucking middle of nowhere. Or cause there's that what 1% chance you get fucking Germany, which would be fucking sick.

SPEAKER_04 42:03

Yeah, I used to when I was younger, I used to look into the different bases, and there was one in the one place that I've wanted to go my entire life, but the chance of getting out there was so slim. What is it? The Azores.

SPEAKER_02 42:15

The what?

SPEAKER_04 42:16

The Azure Islands in Portugal.

SPEAKER_02 42:18

Yeah, good luck. Yeah, I know. That's an Air Force thing, I think. That's more Air Force, yeah. It is. I I told my son, he's like eager McBeaver. He wants to do I I keep pushing him to do the like he wants to do the Air Force, but he at first he wanted to do a pilot. And I'm like, well, dog, you're smart, but and I love you, but there's a lot of work to be to be done for a pilot. And like you gotta be really smart. Not say you aren't, but I'm just saying you have to be really smart, you have to be like practically straight A's all the time, you have to have a degree because you're an officer and all this other shit. And he's like, oh, I'm like, yeah, it's a lot of work. I'm like, I'm just being honest. Like, like, I'd recommend doing an enlisted job, finding out if you even like the Air Force, and then try to commission through it, because then you'll find pathways that make things a little easier. Don't just try to come out from the street because it could be a little bit tough. But I told him one thing he should do is look at a like go to the Air Force and join a thing called like security forces and do a thing called Dagger. And he's like, What's that? And I was like, You're basically part of Special Operations Command for the Air Force, and you roam around, like say this bomber group is getting pushed hypothetically to the Middle East somewhere, possibly in a dangerous situation or a dangerous place. Daggers, they're basically the security element for those bombers specifically. Not just security forces for the base, like they're the ones that like if people take pop shots at the planes, they're the ones that go after them. They're the special operations security forces guys like that go after it. And I was like, you should. Look into that. And he and he's been getting a lot of reels on his Instagram about joining the Air Force as security forces and just kind of random. I was like, maybe a sign, but like, look into that. And the Air Force treats their people so much better anyway. It's true. Absolutely true. I know that for a fact. I'd look into it.

SPEAKER_04 44:29

I got a lot of options. There's a lot of things to look into. Contract work, international medic, flight medic, which I don't think I'm gonna do. Just a lot of different options.

SPEAKER_05 44:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:41

I that's the one, you know, that's the one thing with EMS that I'm so grateful for is uh opportunity. I mean, it there's so much of it.

SPEAKER_02 44:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:49

As a medic, you can go so many.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

You can fucking do anything. Like uh the old the person who used to run the medic program, her name is Evelyn. She used to be uh an EMT working in a hyperbaric chamber. I thought that was kind of that was it was odd. Everyone's like, the fuck is that? Like, what are you doing? Yeah, exactly. What do you do? But she's like, I don't and she told me that I don't remember, it was like fucking 10 years ago. But she was telling me about it, and I was like, that's kind of cool, I guess. I don't know. I think contract work would be really fun, just going to different states or different countries and doing you know, yeah, and like I like during COVID, I I wanted to deploy, but they were like, Yeah, we don't know when you we would send you back because they were asking for like people from here, you know how we went for Debbie. They were doing that to New York to go uh help cover openings and and uh FDNY, some of the transport companies that are over there, just just pile these people in. And I thought about it because it was like it was$2,000 a week, and I was like, fuck, imagine doing that for like a month. Yeah, that'd be fucking fire, pay my pay my house off, all that shit. And I was like, no, I can't, and plus we didn't have anybody to send at the time, so we were just it. So it's not like I could have gone anyway, you know?

SPEAKER_04 46:08

Yeah, I think my dream spot would be to go to Texas for contract work because I heard like I don't know how true it is, but I've heard they have quite the expanded scope. So like to go learn stuff down there would be so fun.

SPEAKER_02 46:24

What is that? There's like the comp there's like a company that's there that's like super progressive, super forward thinking with their EMS.

SPEAKER_04 46:32

I know what company you're talking about. I don't know what I think.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

I cannot think of the name. It's fucking huge and it's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 46:39

I think it's near Austin.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

It could be.

SPEAKER_04 46:41

I can't I someone told me what the name was, and I was like, I think they were actually at the World Expo last year.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

Hmm. I always wanted to go to one of those.

SPEAKER_04 46:50

You should.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

I'm just broke.

SPEAKER_04 46:52

Let me see you, not now. No you got a nangood back pink, huh?

SPEAKER_02 46:58

You're eating fucking RVs for free, aren't you?

SPEAKER_04 47:00

Hey, I tried pink.

SPEAKER_02 47:01

I know. Well, no, you didn't.

SPEAKER_04 47:03

Yeah, I did. I had my phone out.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

No, you didn't. You had the fucking I had the phone.

SPEAKER_04 47:08

I also had the coupon.

SPEAKER_02 47:09

You did. You had the coupons out. What do you mean? Get that shit out of me. You had the phone out. You had the coupons out.

SPEAKER_04 47:15

I had both.

SPEAKER_02 47:16

You're like, you have scissors.

SPEAKER_04 47:18

I could hand you the phone, but I had the phone.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

You're just about to go beep.

SPEAKER_04 47:23

No, because I can't reach. I was gonna hand you the phone. You can go beep.

SPEAKER_02 47:26

I'd be like, that's cool. Just launch it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

Do you really want to sit there and But you could have had them cut the coupon out.

SPEAKER_02 47:34

I don't think she was in the mood.

SPEAKER_04 47:37

Nah, no, she was yelling.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

She was chewing out whoever was back there. And it was kind of funny to listen to because I was like, holy shit. It reminded me of when I worked there. I worked there a long time ago. When they reopened it back in 2008, I was there.

SPEAKER_04 47:53

So I went, speaking of food, I went on an out-of-town the other night with uh some EMT from a different area. Right. Went to to where we go, Phoenix? We went to Glendale. And uh one of the PAs that works here was like, hey, you gotta go to this place. And so we did. This is the cutest little like burger place. It's like an old like 80s shop. It's got a jukebox in it.

SPEAKER_00 48:20

Where's that at?

SPEAKER_04 48:21

Uh it's over by Aurora Behavioral in Glendale.

SPEAKER_00 48:24

Gross.

SPEAKER_04 48:25

It's like across the street from it. It's such a cute little place. I was like, dang! And then they got like ice cream.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

Ooh.

SPEAKER_04 48:33

And their burgers were delicious. That was a good little place.

SPEAKER_02 48:36

You know, I it was it was like an early morning out of town during COVID. And Serena's like, hey, we were we basically went to downtown Phoenix. And I can't remember the hospital. I don't remember. I think it was the I'm gonna just go on a limb and say it was the Indian hospital. I think is what it was actually called. It was like the Indian Affairs Hospital or something like that in Phoenix. And I remember we left there, and she's like, We're gonna go to First Watch. I'm like, the fuck is that? And so she took me there and I was like, oh my god, this place is fucking fire, dude. And so ever since then I've been going to First Watch. Like, you find so much good food like on Out of Towns.

SPEAKER_04 49:22

I think that's the only thing that I like about Out of Towns is the food, and you have to have like a partner that's willing to like go on an adventure with it.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

Yeah, just just a not even a lot, just a little bit. Like, let's deviate from like I'm all for.

SPEAKER_04 49:35

No, you you just like to stay on one road and eat at the fastest restaurant.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

Because I well, to be fair, because I want to get the fuck out of here. That's why. I don't want to stay in.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

I'm like, hey, we're in Tucson. Can we eat here? Well, let's just eat on Houghton and we're gonna eat here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:51

That wasn't all the time. That wasn't that was the time meeting you went to Tucson. That was not all the time. That was not all the time.

SPEAKER_04 49:56

Okay, it was all the time with me.

SPEAKER_02 49:57

Yeah, no, it wasn't. And I was like, if you found something that was nearby, I'm like, okay, let's go. I mean, it's right there. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because like I I would come off the 10 and go to a different place. Like, there's a place that's like fire as hell. It's called Los Tacos Upsone. Oh, that's my fucking favorite.

SPEAKER_04 50:15

I think the only places that me and you ever went was Popeyes. I think maybe Chick-fil-A.

SPEAKER_02 50:21

I have video evidence of the Popeyes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:23

And something, yeah, you do. And some other like fast food restaurant.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

Yeah. You just weren't fun, man. You hated me. That's what I just didn't. You just weren't fun.

SPEAKER_04 50:32

You hated me.

SPEAKER_02 50:35

Like, we used to have this medic that worked with us. His name was Corwin. Dude, that guy knew Tucson. Like the back of his hand. We would go fucking everywhere, man. Everywhere. He was like, Yeah, I go to this place a lot. Like, dude, you go to a lot of places a lot. Like, where the fuck are we? Like, oh shit. But yeah, Aggie. You know, some of it's the food, man. That's that's what I've always said.

SPEAKER_04 50:59

That Lenny's place was delicious.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

Is that the one you went to?

SPEAKER_04 51:02

Yeah, Lenny's Burger.

SPEAKER_02 51:04

Lenny's Burger?

SPEAKER_04 51:05

I have a video of it. It's so cute.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

I've always wanted to try, like, I wanted to take somebody. We never went that far though. But there's a place, I can't remember exactly where it's at. It's downtown Phoenix, but it's called Khyber Halal. And it's uh it's Persian food, but the people who own it are from Afghanistan. And my brother, his and he he met his interpreter there after not seeing him for like five years. He met his interpreter there, and it turns out his interpreter, his name is Jamshed, actually knows the owners. So every time we go in there, he'd be like, Hey, how's Jamshed? He's like, Oh, Garcia. That's what he'd always call us, his Garcia. Oh, okay. And I'm looking at a video of the diner that they went to. That's that's pretty cool. Who is that that went with you? Uh the Tucson guy?

SPEAKER_04 51:58

Yeah, some Tucson guy. Actually, I think he's from Tucson. Oh. He's from Central, but he works at Tucson. I'm like, why the hell are you traveling all the way to Safford and to actually that's fucking weird, man?

SPEAKER_02 52:10

I don't like that at all.

SPEAKER_04 52:11

He's been out here like six or seven times.

SPEAKER_02 52:16

Six, seven. That's why I'm gonna go. Oh my gosh. I told Denise today, I was like, because we had like a stroke alert come in, and I was like, which bed do you want, Denise? Six or seven. And I started doing that. She's like, I don't. And she like just stared at me. I'm like, what? I asked a legitimate question.

SPEAKER_04 52:34

He's doing the stupid hand.

SPEAKER_02 52:37

You know, I really should record this. I don't know how I would do that.

SPEAKER_04 52:40

No, no, that's the beauty of podcasts, is I don't have to be on your video.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

Well, then don't be on it.

SPEAKER_04 52:46

Oh, you can record you all you want.

SPEAKER_02 52:48

Yeah, I I get it. Well, no one wants to see this.

SPEAKER_04 52:51

No one wants to see me either.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

Okay, when you're here, we'll just we won't we won't do it. But like everybody else, I'll just put the camera on them.

SPEAKER_04 52:57

No, put it on you when I'm here. I'll just be like I'll just I mean that's pretty average for you.

SPEAKER_03 53:03

Okay. Yeah, okay, guys.

SPEAKER_02 53:07

Fuck off. You know, I I want to do um I want to do an episode in the station or at the station at Friday.

SPEAKER_04 53:16

I thought you were going to, and then you never showed it. One of these days.

SPEAKER_02 53:19

Well, one of these days it was an idea.

SPEAKER_04 53:20

But I didn't I'm gonna come by the station on Friday. I'm gonna cook you guys tacos and we're gonna do a we're gonna do an episode. Did he come and cook tacos? No. Did he come and do an episode? No.

SPEAKER_02 53:29

When was that?

SPEAKER_04 53:30

Like three weeks ago.

SPEAKER_02 53:32

I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_04 53:33

Four weeks ago. I don't remember that at all. It was like in between the two taco sessions that we had.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

That's fair. Hmm. Yeah. Depends on the crew. I mean, I don't want some fucking.

SPEAKER_04 53:44

You literally asked me who the crew was. I told you we were like sick. And you said, Oh, I'm gonna come do it. And I suppose nothing.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

You know what? I've kind of I kind of went through like a bit of a depression spell. That's why I kind of took a break from the not took a break. It was kind of like I just didn't feel the motivation to do this. Which is kind of a shame because like I I like doing this, I like talking about stuff. But I just felt like because of what you told me, people just don't like the fact that I'm here doing this, which makes me laugh.

SPEAKER_04 54:14

Hey, dude, there's no person.

SPEAKER_02 54:18

It doesn't matter. The point is it kind of like struck a chord with me. It's like, okay, then I mean you can't fucking nobody can do anything to be happy around here, apparently. So I kind of went through like a depressive spell. Plus, I was kind of having an issue with it anyway. And then like just a couple days ago when I messaged you, that's when I'm like, yeah, fuck it. What do I care? Like they're gonna be bitches about it, they can be bitches about it, and I don't give a shit anymore. But I'll go do, I'll go do for sure. Like, let me know when it's a fire ass crew. I'll come down there. I will not make tacos for you because it's either I either or buddy. Like I ain't I can't do both. The fuck?

SPEAKER_04 55:01

So, in other words, you want me to make dinner for you and you come down.

SPEAKER_02 55:04

I never said that.

SPEAKER_04 55:04

That's what you want.

SPEAKER_02 55:05

I never said that.

SPEAKER_04 55:06

You didn't say that's what you want.

SPEAKER_02 55:07

I never frankly that didn't even cross my mind. I was like, I'll either do this or fucking make tacos. I can't do I I cannot and will not do both because I will make dinner, you come get food. Okay. That's you heard it here, guy.

SPEAKER_04 55:19

Everybody's saying Bro, I make dinner at work all the time.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

I see, I never used to, I was terrified to do that. I mean well, after like after a while, but like I never used to cook for people.

SPEAKER_04 55:30

So that's the one thing that I've started doing again is cooking. Like I have cooked so much, but I also bought I bought$2,000 worth of pants and pots.

SPEAKER_02 55:43

Brother, no m no no wonder you're working so fucking much.

SPEAKER_04 55:48

No, it was for my tax return. I got$12,000 back.

SPEAKER_02 55:52

God damn. Yeah, so I got like I only got like six.

SPEAKER_04 55:56

I got twelve, and so I put some towards pots and bands.

SPEAKER_02 55:59

Hey fuck it. You know what? You got the money to spend, dude.

SPEAKER_04 56:02

Like nothing sticks at all. It just goes and I'm like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:06

Dude, I'm going to the gun show. I'm if I see an M1 Garand, I'm buying it. I don't give a shit. Can I afford it? Probably. Do I need it? Fuck no. Do I want it? You bet your ass I do. Like, I've wanted that gun since I've seen I saw Save and Private Ryan in 1999.

SPEAKER_04 56:21

You're aging using it.

SPEAKER_02 56:23

Fuck off. If people don't know how old I am, then fucking kiss my ass.

SPEAKER_04 56:29

I see them gray hairs showing. Dude, they're fucking everywhere. That's the one beauty about dyeing your hair.

SPEAKER_02 56:35

I was gonna buy me some rogaine at this point. Could be worse.

SPEAKER_04 56:40

I mean you're not bowling.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

I'm I I'm getting some hairs down here though. Some grays on my chin. Like it's low key, it's pretty depressing. Like, that's why I had my depressive spell. I'm just like, I'm too old. Like I everything's creaking. Like, I literally pulled a patient up from bed and like my whole entire hand was like felt like I broke something today. It still kind of feels like that too. I'm like, god damn.

SPEAKER_04 57:04

Like okay, my hands were. Is that bruised? My hands were doing that when I was young.

SPEAKER_00 57:08

Is that bruised?

SPEAKER_04 57:09

No, it's a vein.

SPEAKER_00 57:11

No, like does that look bruised?

SPEAKER_04 57:12

No, it looks like you have a big vein right there.

SPEAKER_00 57:14

Oh man, it's probably the lighting. I don't know. Looks like right here is bruised. I don't know. I can kinda can you kind of see it? Maybe like a light?

SPEAKER_04 57:25

No.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

No?

unknown 57:26

God.

SPEAKER_04 57:27

I tried to see it for you, but I don't see it.

SPEAKER_02 57:29

That was really weird because it looked like it was like super blue. Whatever. Whatever. So, what was I saying?

SPEAKER_04 57:35

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 57:35

You went, I dude, I fucking I do that shit.

SPEAKER_04 57:40

This entire this entire episode's kind of in like just kind of everywhere, man.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

Like you got me almost crying at one point, and then we're talking about food.

SPEAKER_04 57:48

I know, I don't know if you heard it, but my voice cracked a little bit when I was talking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:52

I heard that, yeah. Let's not let's not get that vulnerable again. Fuck that. Because I don't want to get bullied for it.

SPEAKER_04 57:59

You know, you might.

SPEAKER_02 58:02

I yeah, I just might. What time is it?

SPEAKER_04 58:06

9 30.

SPEAKER_02 58:08

Yeah. This is a late one. We did this one pretty late.

SPEAKER_04 58:11

Yeah, this motherfucker tried getting me to come out yesterday and do it late, and now here I am.

SPEAKER_02 58:16

I was gonna I was gonna see if you could do it when I got when you got off work. Or when no. It wasn't even that late. It would have been it would have been 7.30 last night when we did it.

SPEAKER_04 58:25

It was 7 30 today when we got it.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

But we went to go get food first. We would have started at 7.30. Yeah, dummy.

SPEAKER_04 58:35

Same thing.

SPEAKER_02 58:36

Same thing, yeah. Okay, tomato tomato.

SPEAKER_04 58:38

Pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 58:39

Whatever, brother. Okay. Yeah, you let me know. We'll come do a probably on a Friday. At the station special. Me and Brie on Fridays, and then Jenny's on Fridays, and which I think will add to the aesthetic because I'll get lucky and have tones. And I'll also get you like the listener will be even more lucky because there'll be times where probably both of you are out at the same time, and my dumbass is stuck having to sit there and record by myself and talk about whatever the fuck else, whatever nonsense. But I don't think I would do it inside. I think I would probably do it outside, if that makes sense. Because it's like I'm now that I think about it. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:24

Ugh.

SPEAKER_02 59:28

Sounds like a you problem. Not a meat problem. I don't know, we'll see.

SPEAKER_04 59:32

And the bees?

SPEAKER_02 59:33

Depends on how fucking cluttered it is in there. Is it still cluttered?

SPEAKER_04 59:36

The bees, bruh.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

Fuck the bees.

SPEAKER_04 59:39

Yeah, the bees are all over the place.

SPEAKER_02 59:40

Fuck the bees. That's why you have Epi there. You know, it's just funny.

SPEAKER_04 59:45

I'm not allergic, it just hurts. Jenny's allergic. I'm not.

SPEAKER_02 59:52

Okay. Well, I do want to tell you one funny story before we go. I don't know if I told you. I might have. But I was asleep in my bed not so long ago. Yeah, I do I do that a lot. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:04

Where's this story going?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:06

You'll see. So I was laying in my bed watching Facebook reels to go to bed. And I felt my cats kind of crawling around me. Not really sure what was going on. So I felt the whiskers kind of tickling me on my side. I'm like, I know where this is. Yeah, get the fuck away from me. And so a minute or two later, I feel the whiskers tickling me again. Then I looked down, they were not whiskers. I was like, what the fuck? And I tilted my phone down to just see a black dot on my chest. I shat a brick, swiped it, flipped her over, and got off my bed, turned my light on, and it was a fucking bark scorpion. And it was, I shit you not, it was that big. And when that happened, I felt a sudden burn in my leg. And it got a little red, and it felt numb and tingly. I was like, dude, did this cocksucker just fucking sting me, dude? Yeah, it stung me. And then, like I said, that thing was all over the place. My cats, I've realized, are fucking useless. They watched that bitch climb all over me.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:17

Okay, no fairness, you pushed the cat off.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:20

I guess, but they were it that's why they were like up on my shit because they were looking for it and they found it. But they didn't do anything about it. They just stared at it.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:29

You pushed them off.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:30

Well, yeah, because I thought they were tickling me, man. I thought they were just being dick bags.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:34

Okay, but that's your fault though.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:35

It's not my fault. That's your fault. It's absolutely not my fault.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:37

They probably would have got it if you're gonna get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:38

They should have they should have swiped at it when they had the fucking chance, and they refused to eat me. They're fucking cats.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:45

So then it can sting you?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:47

Well, no.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:50

Well, they kind of like-and they'll run.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:52

They kind of tapped it. And I mean it it didn't do it. It went like this, and its tail was gone. The fucking scorpions don't run, man. The fuck? Like they have eight legs and they move like they move like a fucking turtle, dude. They don't move that fast. And they literally circled around it like it was on my floor, and they're like circling around it as it's slowly moving away.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:16

You saw them doing that?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:18

Then how did you let it get all the way up on your chest?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:21

I have no idea actually how it got up there. I actually well, because it was on my floor.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:25

Well, just so you know, where there's one, there's lots.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:27

That's what I've heard. Don't fucking do that. I even called Hydra to come down here and re-spray my house on the inside. Oh, yeah. Because they usually do the outside.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:36

I need to get them to battery spray mine, actually.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:38

I called them the next day and I'm like, yeah, I got stung by a scorpion. Can you send someone out there? Like, ooh. Yeah. And I was like, my 30 years, I'd never been stung. So I was like.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:48

Then this motherfucker texts me to say it was called the ambulance.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:53

I oh indeed. I had never been stung. I legitimately thought I was. Yeah, because then I would have wasted your time, which made me happy. Which would have been.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:02

Was I even working that thing? I don't know. You should call me and then.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:04

Whoever the crew listen, whoever the crew was, I would have called for medical. I would have had them come evaluate me, and then be like, nah, I'm good. I don't want to go to the hospital.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:13

As he's like drooling and like seeking the hospital.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:17

I can make my own decisions. Like oh man. Yeah, that's what happened when I got in a car accident and I rammed into that deer. They're like, Do you want medical? I'm like, yes. Ah, everything hurts. They fucking come barreling down the street, and the guy's like, Yeah, man, you're pretty banged up. You banged up that deer. I'm like, damn it. And then uh the guy's like, Do you want to go to the hospital? I'm like, no, I'm good.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:44

You're so bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:47

I felt so bad, dude. Like, I really did. I was like, oh, now I know. That's what it feels like. I just woke those guys up. It was literally 11:30 at night, and I just woke those fucking guys up from their dead sleep just to tell them I don't want to go to the hospital. And even though I called for them. Yeah, I it didn't dawn on me until afterwards. I'm like, wow, I'm a fucking asshole. It's okay. It's fine. You know, it's they survived, I'd reckon.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:17

I'm pretty sure we make the worst patients.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:21

Of course we would. Why wouldn't we?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:25

We know how the system works.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:27

One of these days I'm gonna be like, oh my food. Just calling the EMS crew just to call.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:35

Does he still call?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:37

Every once in a while. He's pretty much stopped since he got arrested.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

Well, yeah, if you go to that's crazy to think about. If he would if they would have sent his ass to jail fucking five years ago, we wouldn't have been dealing with this problem. We wouldn't have been dealing with this problem. No.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:50

But he still calls, he started doing his crap again, and I uh I lectured him.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:57

I think we're at the point now where people aren't playing his shit anymore.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:02

Some people do, some people still do. Um I so he called, he started getting to where he was calling multiple times a night again. So I got there, it was the second time of the night, and I was fed up. The first time, it was literally the shortest like we've ever been there. I was literally like, hey, your vitals look better than I've ever seen them. I'm going home. I'm tired. So we go home.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:22

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:24

Pretty much. I told him I had just fallen asleep when you called. Like being a complete asshole because he does this, and it's three o'clock in the morning. Like, I hadn't slept, and I was actually legitimately finally falling asleep. So I I was like, We're going back. And so he's like, Okay, good night. Calls me two hours later. I was like, All right, so I get in there and I was like, listen, well, all I did was put the pulse socks on. I didn't let my inter partner do anything else, I just put the pole socks on, and I was like, Your vitals are still the exact same, if not better, than when I was here two hours ago. He goes, Yeah, I know. I already checked them.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:02

Then why the fuck is that?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:03

I literally said, The white my hair, what is it that you are wanting us to do? And he's like, Well, I just wanted to be helped. And I was like, No, you don't. You don't want to the hospital, you've taken all your medications, you don't want to be checked out. Like, what more do you want? What is it that you're looking for? And then he got mad and started trying to kick me out. And I said, Alright, I'll leave. But if you call me back tonight, it better be for a medical emergency. And he's like, What? And I was like, if you call me back, there better be in a medical emergency. And like I started to walk out the door and he said something else. And I was like, if you call back and it's not a medical emergency, I will bring the cops with me. And he goes, What? And I was like, Yep, cops will be coming. He didn't call back. As I'm walking out the door, he goes, Oh, if I die, I guess I'm just gonna die by myself. And I was like, You're like, your vitals are fine. Yeah, everything is fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:52

It's like brother, like you've been saying that for fucking.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:56

He literally never just calls for like to talk and because he wants us to take his trash out or to move something in his house.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:05

And that's where, like, can I have anything else? And then just walk.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:08

I've literally started to say, is there any medical thing that you need from us? Because if it's not medical, I'm not doing it. Obviously, yeah. And you know, most people I I'll help them, but like, not when you abuse the system and call 20 times in the middle of the night. Like, I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:22

Yeah, like I've always said too, it's like, little a lay she falls in bed or falls out of bed. She didn't break anything, she just wants to get up, or her husband's just too big for her to lift at two in the morning. I've always said, I was like, that's an emergency because you can develop sores, you know, you can get strains and stuff in rhabdo. And I was like, that's a big deal. I was like, if that happens, call us because you're I mean, if you try to pick him up and then you throw your back out, now you're fucked. Yeah. And you can't take care of him. So, like, by all means, call me.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:59

To me, that's medical.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:00

It's an issue. It's absolutely an issue.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:02

Ask me to take your trash out or get your mail for you or move something or get you a soda out of your fridge. And kiss my ass. Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:09

Absolutely kiss my ass.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:10

Like, no. Especially when you're calling it 20 times a night and it's in the middle of the night.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:16

Yeah, I know, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:17

But then your trash does not need to go out in the middle of the night.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:20

Abs yeah, it there's no fucking way. Absolutely not. And I remember he used to do shit like that. And then he used to call dispatch and be like, hey, we'll demand the female crew, but then he would call the dispatcher and say, Who's woking? And then dispatcher would be like, Oh, it's this person, this person, this person, this person. And we're like, dude, listen, sis.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:40

Stop doing that.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:41

Don't do that. She's like, well, why? I'm like, think about it. What if it was somebody who had a gun that had a vendetta against one of us? They would call us down there, and then he would shove that barrel up my ass. Like, that's the last fucking thing I want to deal with. That am I wrong? I'm not wrong. Just make it more graphic. But I was like, it's not wrong. Absolutely not. So I was like, just don't don't do that. Don't tell people who don't tell people who's not.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:09

I have a male partner. They always make him do any touch that has to be done.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:13

And that's in and like when I worked with Serena, she would always do it because she knows him and she just she straight up called him a roach to his face. He's like, Oh yeah. Like it was like the funniest thing. I was like, there's no fucking way you got away with that. Anybody else, he would have been pissed, but she just got away with it. And like I'll never understand how she did it. It was just funny. Shit just made me laugh. But yeah, I I've gotten to the point when I was with other females, like I'd I'd always tell them, like, if it was a it was me and Kindle, like Kindle, you just stay inside. I'll just go do it. I'll just take my red bag. What's up, man? We got a lot going on. What's going on? And just oh yeah, it's this. Yeah, sorry, man. Like it is what it is, but we gotta go. We got other calls going. Okay, thank you for chucking up all me. Alright, no problem, man. Yeah. There's no real way of fixing it. Just kind of like put a band-aid on it every time.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:07

But I think taking him to jail was the answer.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:10

Him, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:11

Whoever did that was a freaking patron saint of go fuck yourself. Well, I know exactly who did it. I'm just saying. Whoever did it, they're now considered the patron saint of go fuck yourself. So that I love that. Makes me happy. But anyway, it's we said we were gonna stop talking, and that was 10 minutes ago. But hey, like, I think this is pretty productive. This is what I like about this podcast is we just talk and kind of go talk about any and every go for shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:39

I don't know what we got from here to here.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:41

Yeah, one minute we're talking about fucking brains on the side of the road, and now we're talking about fucking Lenny's hamburgers or whatever it's called.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:53

It really was delicious. I have to give my props to that PA.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:57

Yeah. They told you to go do it? Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Alright, well, thanks for coming. We should do this again. We should bring some more people.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:09

In other words, Bree get your ass out here.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:11

Basically. Yeah, bring Bree down here. She won't add too much to the conversation, but I'm sure she'll that girl doesn't shut up.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:18

What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:21

Like anybody, I mean, like I've always said, anybody can come on and talk.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:25

Jenny Bobby.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:26

Jenny Bob's. I miss Jenny Bob's.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:28

I'll tell the story about how she got her nickname.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:31

I miss the homies, man. I'll just put it that way. I miss it again. But all right. Well, that was fun. Never do it again.